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=== L1 Pro8 Power Stand compared to Sub1 ===
 
Both use the 7"x13" Racetrack transducer
 
 
 
The L1 Pro8 base is 31 pounds. The Sub1 is 35.5.
 
 
 
The L1 Pro8 base is slightly smaller than the Sub1.
 
 
 
The L1 Pro8 bass amp is 240 watts RMS. The Sub1 is 480 watts RMS.
 
 
 
The L1 Pro8 is 112 dB SPL continuous. The Sub1 is 118 dB SPL continuous.
 
 
 
The L1 Pro8 goes down to 45 Hz (-3 dB). The Sub1 goes down to 40 Hz (-3 dB).
 
 
 
=== L1 Pro16 Power Stand compared to Sub2 ===
 
Both use the 10"x18" Racetrack transducer
 
 
 
The L1 Pro16 base is 41.4 pounds. The Sub2 is 52.
 
 
 
The L1 Pro16 base is slightly smaller than the Sub2.
 
 
 
The L1 Pro16 bass amp is 1000 watts RMS. The Sub2 is 1000 watts RMS.
 
 
 
The L1 Pro16 is 118 dB SPL continuous. The Sub2 is 123 dB SPL continuous.
 
 
 
The L1 Pro16 goes down to 42 Hz (-3 dB). The Sub2 goes down to 37 Hz (-3 dB). The difference is due to the larger physical volume of the Sub2 enclosure.
 
 
 
=== Two Sub1s or Sub2 ===
 
Two Sub1s have approximately the same membrane surface area (180 square inches).
 
 
 
The power difference is negligible (960 watts RMS compared to 1000 watts RMS).
 
 
 
Two Sub1s tightly coupled (stacked or side-by-side) should provide up to +6 dB over a single Sub1 (118 + 6 = 124). The Sub 2 is 123 dB SPL. The difference is negligible.
 
 
 
The Sub1 goes down to 40 Hz. The Sub2 goes down to 37 Hz (-3 dB). The difference is due to the larger physical volume of the Sub2 enclosure. Running two Sub1s does not change the frequency response.
 
 
 
  
 
== Questions about this article ==
 
== Questions about this article ==

Revision as of 19:56, 16 August 2021

Bose Sub1 and Sub2

Introduction

Introduced: October 2020
First available: January 2021

Use the Sub1 or Sub 2 bass modules with the Bose L1 Pro32

  • Sub1 creates a compact system (down to 40 Hz)
  • Sub2 plays lower and louder (down to 37 Hz)
  • Extreme portability using RaceTrack woofers

Use the Sub1 or Sub 2 bass modules with other PA systems (e.g., Bose S1 Pro or third-party systems)

Documentation

Sub1/Sub2 Owners Guide

Sub1/Sub2 Quick Start Guide

Training

Firmware Updates

Sub1 Sub2 USB C service port

Version 5.06

May 26, 2021

  • Fixes an issue that allows users to disable Low Power Standby mode.
  • Allows wider range of Standby button press lengths when powering on product.
  • Implements timed audio output mute when powering on product.
  • Updates to green/red signal/clip LED threshold.

Installation

  • Use a USB C cable (click the picture to the right to see where it connects on the Sub)
  • Go to http://btu.bose.com using a PC or Mac
  • Follow the prompts on the screen
  • Instructions

Comparisons Sub1/Sub2 Subwoofers

SpecificationB1B2L1 Pro8
Power Stand only
L1 Pro16
Power Stand only
Sub1Sub2F1 Subwoofer
dB SPL at 1 meter
Continuous/Peak
109 dB
(estimated, not published)
112 dB
(estimated on total system SPL of L1 Model 1S with B2)
112 dB (cont)
118 dB (peak)
(values estimated on total system SPL)
118 dB (cont)
121 dB (peak)
(values estimated on total system SPL)
118 dB (cont)
124 dB (peak)
123 dB (cont)
129 dB (peak)
124 dB (cont)
130 dB (peak)
Watts RMS
Active/Passive
125
Passive
250
Passive
240
Active
1000
Active
480
Active
1000
Active
1000
Active
Weight pounds 28 45 30.9 41.4 34.1 51.7 55
Drivers Two 5.25" Two 10" One 7"x13" RaceTrack One 10"x18" RaceTrack One 7"x13" RaceTrack One 10"x18" RaceTrack Two 10"
Cardioid Mode n/a n/a n/a n/a Yes Yes n/a
Compatibility with Bose Products L1 Legacy L1 Legacy n/a
not intended to be used separately
n/a
not intended to be used separately
L1 Pro, L1 Legacy, S1 Pro, L1 Compact L1 Pro, L1 Legacy, S1 Pro, L1 Compact L1 Pro, L1 Legacy, S1 Pro, L1 Compact
Compatibility with non-Bose products No
passive, no low-pass filter
No
passive, no low-pass filter
n/a
not intended to be used separately
n/a
not intended to be used separately
Yes
active, switchable low-pass filter
Yes
active, switchable low-pass filter
Yes
active, switchable high-pass filter
This data is compiled from Bose Technical Data Sheets and discussions with the Bose L1 Product Managers for the unpublished data.
Two Sub1s or Sub2

Two Sub1s have approximately the same membrane surface area as the Sub2, (180 square inches).

The power difference is negligible (960 watts RMS compared to 1000 watts RMS).

Two Sub1s tightly coupled (stacked or side-by-side) should provide up to +6 dB SPL[1] over a single Sub1 (118 + 6 = 124). The Sub 2 is 123 dB SPL. The SPL performance of two Sub1s should be similar to a single Sub2.

The Sub1 goes down to 40 Hz. The Sub2 goes down to 37 Hz (-3 dB). The difference is due to the larger physical volume of the Sub2 enclosure. Running two Sub1s does not change the frequency response.

L1 Pro16

The SPL output of the L1 Pro16 is 118 db SPL (124 peak). The output is similar to the Sub1.

Technical Data for standalone units

RaceTrack Woofer

RaceTrack Woofer
Unique RaceTrack woofers integrated in the Bose Sub1 and Sub2 modular subwoofers deliver powerful bass, have an optimized center of gravity, and save a lot of space. This slim design means you get the full impact of a conventional subwoofer without the cumbersome size, freeing up room in your vehicle and on the stage, and making every carry in between — home to car, vehicle to venue — much easier. [2]

Although the comparisons are approximate and this assumes that other variables like input power are similar:

  • The 7"x13" RaceTrack woofer in the Sub1 is comparable to 12" round driver.
  • The 10"x18" RaceTrack woofer is comparable to a 15" round driver.

Note: Both the Sub1 and L1 Pro8 use a 7"x13" RaceTrack woofer. The L1 Pro8 is rated at 240 watts RMS to the subwoofer. The Sub1 is rated at 480 watts RMS.


Cardioid Mode

Cardioid Mode

Stack two Sub1 or Sub2 subwoofers in Cardioid Mode for focused, directional performance with reduced rear-firing bass energy (-10 dB SPL). This steers the bass out front, and reduces feedback. This is particularly useful when you have resonant instruments on the stage (e.g., kick drum, upright bass).

Note: Bose does not claim Cardioid mode increases the Sound Pressure Level (SPL) in front of the subwoofers. The main benefit is that it reduces the SPL behind the subwoofers.

See the tutorial in the video below starting at 4:05.

Level Control

Sub1 Sub2 Level Control.jpg
Question
Why have a LEVEL control on the Bose Sub1/Sub2? This can also apply to other subwoofers as well.
Answer
Equal-loudness contours from ISO 226:2003 shown with original ISO standard.

At lower volume, the Equal Loudness contour[3] shows that humans don't perceive bass as well as mid-highs. You can compensate for this by turning up the Sub1/Sub2 LEVEL Control.


Other times bass may seem excessive

  • At higher volumes
  • Due to boundary effects (proximity to walls and corners)
  • On a resonant stage

You can compensate for this by turning down the Sub1/Sub2 LEVEL Control.


Recommended Settings
Sub1Sub2 Level Control.jpg
  1. Set the Sub1/Sub2 Level control at 12:00 o'clock[4].
  2. Raise/lower the volume of the L1 Pro32 as required.
  3. Adjust the Sub1/Sub2 Level control to balance bass level with the mid-high level from the L1 Pro 32.



Comments


Sub2 with Sub1

You can use a Sub1 and Sub2 together. The connection will be L1 Pro32 to Sub2 to Sub1

You can stack them or place them side by side. In any arrangement where the grilles fit completely within a 30-inch (75 cm) diameter sphere, your two Subs will act like a single one, only louder. Note: Placing the Subs on either side of the L1 Pro32 power stand does not meet this criteria.

There are two options. Either is fine. Choose the one you prefer.

Option 1
Same crossover frequency applied to both Sub1 and Sub2 (200—37Hz)
  1. Connect the L1 Pro32 to the Sub2 (use the supplied SubMatch cable)
  2. Connect the Sub2 to the Sub1 use a SubMatch cable (purchased separately) OR
    • Connect the Sub2 Line Out to the Sub1 with an XLR cable and power the Sub1 with the supplied IEC power cable.
    • On the Sub2 set the Line Out EQ to Full (Full Range)
  3. Level - set to 12:00 o'clock on both. If adjustments are necessary - keep the Level Control the same on both Subs
  4. Polarity: Plus on both
Option 2
Crossover frequencies:
Sub2: 100—37 Hz
Sub1: 200—100 Hz
  1. Connect the L1 Pro32 to the Sub2 (use the supplied SubMatch cable)
  2. On the Sub2 set the Line Out EQ to HPF (High Pass Filter)
  3. Connect the Sub2 Line Out to the Sub1 with an XLR cable and power the Sub1 with the supplied IEC power cable.
  4. Level - set to 12:00 o'clock on both. If adjustments are necessary - keep the Level Control the same on both Subs
  5. Polarity: Plus on both

S1 Pro system with Sub1/Sub2

Preferred Method

Connections with Sub1 or Sub2 and the S1 Pro system

For best results, the signal flow should go from

  1. Sub io panel
    The signal source (e.g., ToneMatch Mixer[5], mixer, DJ console) output to
  2. The Sub1 or Sub2 subwoofer LINE IN 1 ()
  3. The Sub1 or Sub2 subwoofer LINE OUT 1 to
  4. The S1 Pro system with channel volume set to 10 o'clock.
Note these settings on the Sub1 or Sub2
👉 Set LINE IN EQ to L1
👉 Set LINE OUT EQ to S1 (Press and hold LINE OUT EQ button for 4 seconds)

Set up this way,

  1. The Sub1 or Sub2 handles frequencies from 40 Hz (Sub1) 37 Hz (Sub2) to 150 Hz
  2. The S1 Pro system handles frequencies above 150 Hz
Mono - Example with a T4S as the audio source
  • Start with the Volume on S1 Pro and Sub, as shown. Adjust as necessary from there.

T4S to Sub to S1 Pro


The picture shows a stereo setup. The signal flow is from left to right.

S1 Pro with Sub.jpg

S1 Pro with Sub HPF.jpg

Recommended cable

Use an XLR to 1/4 inch (6.35 mm) Tip-Ring-Sleeve cable for best results.

XLRFemale to 14trs.jpg

If you use an XLR to XLR cable, the signal may be too hot for the S1 Pro system.

Alternative Connection

Can I connect the S1 Pro Line Out to the Sub?

The method described above is preferred, but you can use the S1 Pro system as the sound source (e.g., microphone and guitar and backing tracks via Bluetooth) Note the following:

  1. The S1 Pro system will sound the same as without the subwoofer (62 Hz - 17 kHz)
  2. The Sub1 or Sub2 will cover from 40 Hz (Sub1) 37 Hz (Sub2) to 150 Hz
  3. You will be able to push S1 Pro system harder (louder) if you route the signal as described at the top of this article

L1 Compact with Sub1/Sub2

Please see L1 Compact with Sub1 or Sub2

Cooling

Question

How are the Sub1/Sub2 cooled?

Answer

Sub1 and Sub2 have extruded aluminum heat sinks mounted to the backside of the I/O panel. This pulls heat out of the electronics and transfers some to the air moving through the acoustic volume of the sub and helps to cool.[6]


Running Multiple Subwoofers

If you are running two or more subwoofers, you want to read these articles:


Comparing L1 Pro Power Stands to Subs

The L1 Pro8 and Sub1 use the 7" x 13" Racetrack transducer. The L1 Pro16 and Sub2 use the 10" x 18" Racetrack transducer. The following is a comparison of the performance of the L1 Pro power stands and the Sub1 and Sub2


L1 Pro8 Power Stand compared to Sub1

Both use the 7" x 13" Racetrack transducer

The L1 Pro8 power stand is 31 pounds. The Sub1 is 35.5.

The L1 Pro8 power stand is slightly smaller than the Sub1.

The L1 Pro8 power stand bass amp is 240 watts RMS. The Sub1 is 480 watts RMS.

The L1 Pro8 is 112 dB SPL continuous. The Sub1 is 118 dB SPL continuous.

The L1 Pro8 goes down to 45 Hz (-3 dB). The Sub1 goes down to 40 Hz (-3 dB).

L1 Pro16 Power Stand compared to Sub2

Both use the 10" x 18" Racetrack transducer

The L1 Pro16 power stand is 41.4 pounds. The Sub2 is 52.

The L1 Pro16 power stand is slightly smaller than the Sub2.

The L1 Pro16 bass amp is 1000 watts RMS. The Sub2 is 1000 watts RMS.

The L1 Pro16 is 118 dB SPL continuous. The Sub2 is 123.8 dB SPL continuous.

The L1 Pro16 goes down to 42 Hz (-3 dB). The Sub2 goes down to 37 Hz (-3 dB). The difference is due to the larger physical volume of the Sub2 enclosure.

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