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Revision as of 10:01, 15 May 2021

This page is specifically for Larrivée Forum Guitars; special order Guitars whose origins began on the Larrivée Guitar Forum.

Ongoing discussion about this page: Larrivée Forum - Forum Guitars Wiki page discussion thread.

General information about Larrivée Guitars see: Larrivée Guitars

Special thanks go out to everyone on the Larrivée Guitar Forum who provided information and links to support this page.

Quick Notes:


What is a Forum Guitar?

Source: Discussion on the Larrivée Guitar forum

  • Larrivee Forum guitar is one that is developed and designed solely with input from members of the Larrivee Guitar Forum and a willing dealer to coordinate and place the orders with the factory. Source: teh
  • By ordering a bunch of guitars at once, either all the same, or with a very limited number of options, the Forum members were able to get a very special guitar, and both the customers (us) and the manufacturer (Larrivee) benefit from the associated economies of scale. Source: AZLiberty
  • The Larrivee company does not initiate these nor do they make reference to them in their catalogs or website. They have been most gracious in allowing members of the forum to design a guitar that's a little bit different than their standard offerings. In the past they've thrown in some surprises like fancier rosettes and they even agreed to use some pretty special Italian Spruce on the Forum III guitars. Source: tuffythepug

Forum I

Forum I - 7 of 17, armrest not standard
Forum I - 7 of 17
Forum I - 7 of 17

Shipped January 2005.

Jason at Notable Guitars worked extensively with the Larrivée Forum to select what would become the forum guitar.


Specifications
  • OM - Orchestra Model Body Style
  • 03 Series appointments (satin finish) plus * below
  • Built in Vancouver, BC Canada
  • Mahogany / Spruce top or
  • Mahogany / Mahogany top
  • 12 Frets clear to the body
  • * Abalone Rosette
  • * Mother of Pearl logo inlay on headstock
  • * Black Tuner buttons
  • No cutaway models were produced
  • Forum I — 17 produced
There were 17 Forum guitars delivered in early January 2005. One of the Forum I guitars was damaged and a replacement was shipped with the 9 Forum II's that were shipped in April 2005
Discussions & Links

Forum II

Same as Forum I, released in April 2005


Specifications
  • OM - Orchestra Model Body Style
  • 03 Series appointments (satin finish) plus * below
  • Built in Vancouver, BC Canada
  • Mahogany / Spruce top or
  • Mahogany / Mahogany top
  • 12 Frets clear to the body
  • * Abalone Rosette
  • * Mother of Pearl logo inlay on headstock
  • * Black Tuner buttons
  • No cutaway models were produced


  • Forum II — 9 produced. One more was built as a replacement for a Forum I that was damaged in transit.
Discussions & Links

Forum III

Forum III Mahogany top back sides
Forum III Italian Spruce top Rosewood back, sides "Bella"

The Forum III Guitar started shipping March 16, 2009. There was a factory tour of the Vancouver, BC plant where these were built.


Specifications
  • Number produced: 78 (official number but there were overruns)
  • First guitars shipped March 2009
  • LS - Larrivée Smallbody Body Style
  • 03 Series appointments (satin finish) plus * below
  • Built in Vancouver, BC Canada
  • Wood Combinations available
    • South American Mahogany / Italian Spruce Top (32)¹
    • Rosewood / Italian Spruce Top (20) ¹
    • South American Mahogany / Mahogany Top (14) ¹
  • Neck: 12 Frets to the body
  • * Herringbone sound hole Rosette
  • * 12th fret inlay three micro dots, no other fretboard markers, with dots on neck edge binding.
  • Maple binding
  • Standard 03 level tuners
  • Original Hardshell Case
  • * Detached tortoise pick guard (Jim Holler at Trinity Guitars will install only IF requested)
  • Custom bone saddle made by Jim Holler
  • Personalized set up by Jim Holler
  • Price without options - under $1050 USD
  • Label says

Forum Guitar III
No # of 78
Each label signed by JCL (Jean Claude Larrivée)

  • Options:
    • Herringbone purfling - $150 (34) ¹
    • Venetian Cutaway - $300 (7) ¹
    • Left-handed (9)
The Beginning

Orphaned Larris What If...

Since many Forum-ites and Larri-loyalists lament the fact that there are orphaned Larri-models... crying.gif (i.e. OOs, OMVs) as in out-of-production models...
What if enough Forum-ites commission Mr. Jean Claude Larrivee himself & his sons to produce... a Special Order batch for a discontinued model...
say through 12th Fret, Guitar Adoptions, Notable, Trinity... as distributors - that just about covers the continent and both sides of the border.

We'll stick to the RW-Spruce and HOG-Spruce variety only.

Please keep your comments brief - (1) specify Larri-MODEL ONLY you wish to order.... (2) Yes or No - do you think this is possible? confused.gif confused.gif

ricky confused.gif (IMHO - I think this is possible or at least worth trying... given enough number of us who are loyal Larri-fanatics) thumbsupup.gif

SERIOUSLY... I guess this is a survey / vote ===> so we can have our dream most cherished Larri to own... or you can tell me if I'm on GAS-delusion? wacko.gif

— Source:Orphaned Larris What If...

Discussions & Links

Forum IV

Larrivée Forum thread on the Forum IV

Two production runs.

Specifications
  • * Back strip
  • * Herringbone Rosette
  • * 12 frets open to the body
  • Body
    • Length ( without neck ) 19 3/8th
    • Width upper bout 10 1/8th
    • Width lower bout 14 1/8th
    • Depth at butt end of guitar 4 1/4th
    • Depth at neck end of body 3 3/8th
  • One piece mahogany neck
  • Ebony fingerboard
  • Nut width 1 3/4th
  • Bridge: 2 3/16 th string spacing <<< confirmed [1]


Ordering information
Jim Holler, Luthier
Trinity Guitars
800 West Third St
Jamestown, NY 14701
716-665-4490
email: JimHoller@TrinityGuitars.com
website: http://www.trinityguitars.com

Source: dependan on the Larrivée forum

Options

Source: Options (Trinity Guitars)

  1. Custom Bone Saddle Included no charge
  2. Custom bone nut to match Larrivee nut $65
  3. Strap button on neck $5
  4. K&K Pure Western Note I have only 3 of these and will not be ordering more. All Gone. $85
  5. K&K Trinity Western $186 Note I have only 2 of these and will not be ordering more
  6. LRBaggs Active I Beam $150
  7. LRBaggs Imix no cut $250
  8. LRBaggs Active element $135
  9. LRBaggs M1 $196
  10. Fishman matrix infinity $ 139.95
  11. Gotoh 510 Mini Delta chrome tuners installed $ 80.00
    • Installation $26.00.
    • A new set of strings will be required. Total for Machines, Bushings and install $ 106.00 Plus strings.
      • Cleartone Lights or Medium $12.00, Martin SP Lights or mediums $7.95, D'Addario EJ16 or EJ17 $6.99
      • Note that there is an exposed hole.
  12. Oasis Humidifier Standard or Plus $19.95
  13. The question has come up about Bob Colosi bone pins. The best way to do this is to order them yourself and put them on once you get the guitar. If you would like me to put them in during the sey I can just have them shipped here with your name on the package.
  14. Grover Sta-Tite GX1245 tuners Chrome $ 37.00 Adaptor Bushings $ 7.00. Installation $26.00. #* A new set of strings will be required. Total for Machines, Bushings and install $ 70.00 Plus strings. Cleartone Lights or Medium $12.00, Martin SP Lights or mediums $7.95, D'Addario EJ16 or EJ17 $6.99
The Beginning

The Forum IV Guitars began with a post on the Larrivée Guitar Forum

F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars

YUP. Jim is going to get us the information on pricing and timing. But we are going to be able to order some 00-03 MT's.

There will only be one guitar NO options for this order a 00-03 MT

Please don't ask for other options. This is all Larrivee will make this time.

So if we keep it simple as has been discussed in the 00-03 thread then we can get this done easily and quickly.

So who will be in for sure? I know of 3 already including myself that are ready, but I'll let y'all say so.

Source: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars

Forum V

Forum V Specs Vote - October 24, 2011
This is a great discussion to visit to get a sense of the latest news about the Forum V guitar.

Forum V - The RS-4 - October 11, 2011

Forum V Facebook page — May 2012

Friends I am pleased to announce a Dealer has been secured:
LA Guitar Sales has agreed to take this adventure to the next level.


Some members are very aware of Ted at LA Guitars and his vast experience in doing custom orders.
As a result of THIS TOPIC we have reached this point.
In order for this adventure to become reality we need 10 commited members at this point we have 6 with a few on the fence.
Please be patient in regards to downpayment required and timelines they will come to light as the dealer gets up to speed and connects with Larrivee.
I or LAGuitars will post the detail options of the spec as I know them before Friday most of the things we have been discussing will be addressed. Some options have flexibility others are one or the other, still others I need clarity on.

Hope this meets your approval to date. Friends this is an exciting time for us all and quite an opportunity of which I feel privledged to partake. Anyone considering a Larrivee electric - there could not be a better opportunity.

— JOYCEfromNS

History

September 30, 2011 Ideas for Forum RS-4 Discussion started by Mikeymac

Larrivée Forum V Mini Humbucker

From Matt Larrivée

As many of you know, there is a new Forum guitar in the works. The Forum V is set to be the first forum electric, and is based on the RS-4. One of the design elements to be included is the very first Larrivee Mini Humbuckers in the neck position of the guitar. The process of creating a new pickup is arduous; particularly when you have all of the parts made from scratch – domestically. I thought it would be interesting to document the process of how these pickups come to life from the very beginning of the design process, right through to the first production models.

This will be an evolving thread that will take several months to complete, but hopefully will give people a greater appreciation for what goes into these instruments and an insight into the thought process that goes into the design.

So with that said, let’s start the story with some background:

Mini Humbuckers have been around in one form or another since about 1959-1960. The first versions appeared on Gibson-made Epiphones in 1960. Over the next 12 years at least five distinct variations of the pickup were created; The Original PAF Mini, Offset Pole Mini, Original Firebird Mini, Johnny Smith Floating, and a “sidewinder” mini designed by Bill Lawrence around 1972. All of these pickups were built around the same pickup cover, but inside were completely different designs – and ultimately produced very different tones.

The Original PAF Mini

The Original PAF Mini was designed by Seth Lover in approximately late 1959. The pickup was to be used on the “lower-end” versions of Gibson being marketing under the Epiphone Brand (acquired by the parent company of Gibson in 1957). The pickup was a smaller more compact version of the Seth’s original Humbucker design (The PAF everyone knows and loves). It featured two bobbins mounted side-by-side; each bobbin containing a low carbon steel pole and a single magnet at the bottom of the pickup. The bobbin on the south side of the magnet used 3/4" long #5-40 headless slot head screws made from free machining steel, while the bobbin connected to the north side of the magnet contained a steel blade made from 1018 low carbon steel – The base plate was constructed from 0.032” thick 18% half hard nickel silver and the cover was 0.025” thick nickel silver usually plated in nickel. The bar magnet used was Alnico 5, similar to what was in its full size PAF counterpart.

The wire used was 42 gauge plain enamel – likely the exact same as used on full size PAF’s. This wire was notoriously non-uniform with large diameter differences from spool to spool. The two bobbins are smaller and could not hold quite as much wire as their full-size counterparts. A standard Humbucker bobbin from the era could have anywhere from 4000-6000 turns of wire, while bobbins on the mini would only hold between 4000-4500 turns of wire. Fewer turns of wire mean that the pickup had a slightly lower DC resistance than its full size counterpart – Minis would commonly range from 6.4-7.3 kOhm while full size PAF’s from the era would average from 6.9-8.0 kOhm. No direct record was kept, but from evidence within the pickup itself, it appears to have been wound using an old gear driven Geo Stevens 38AM coil winder – probably the same coil winder that was used on P-90’s if the era.

Tone wise they were “similar” to a PAF in tone, similar output level, with a hint more high end.

Offset Pole Mini

Around 1962, Seth Lover made some changes to the Epiphone mini Humbucker. He changed the design to offset the screws in the pickup. Each coil of the pickup would now have three screws and a blade. The reason for the change in unknown, but Seth did feel that the 3 x 3 design had some improvements over his original Humbucker design. He felt that “It wasn’t quite as loud as the Gibson version, with fewer turns of the coil, and it was a bit trebly. But it did the job.”

The blades were wrapped in 1 turn of Scotch #4 black paper tape to reduce vibration of the slug against the cover, and to hold the slug in the bobbin. Other changes to the pickups followed (which were not intentional design changes, but rather pragmatic business decisions from production / management). The magnets were now being supplied by a new vendor and were polished as opposed to rough cast – making them more uniform. Like the full size Humbucker counterpart, in 1963 the wire was changed from plain enamel coated to poly wire. The plain enamel wire had a purplish hue to it, while the poly coated was clear or slightly red. In addition, in 1963 the “Patent Applied For” sticker was replaced with a sticker that acknowledged the granting of the patent. The sticker now read “Patent No 2,737,842” – Which strangely enough is NOT the patent number that was issued to Gibson for the Humbucker! It is actually a patent number for a wrap around bridge. It is suspected this was done to make it harder for copy cats to lookup the design details of the pickup which are listed in the actual patent – Sneaky! For reference the actual patent number is 2896491.

Original Firebird Mini

The early 1960’s were not kind to Gibson – They were quickly losing market share to Fender guitars who’s instruments were seen as modern and more affordable. In an attempt to regain footing in the market, Gibson introduced the radical “Firebird” model in 1963. This line of guitars featured a totally different mini Humbucker that was substantially more “Fender-ish”.

During the 1950’s and 1960’s there were two primary different schools of thought on pickup construction. On one hand you had Fender who had the magnet directly in the middle of the coil of wire, and on the other hand you had Gibson who used a steel pole in the middle of the coil of wire with the magnet mounted beneath. The ultimate difference being that on a fender the strings were mounted right above the actual magnet, while in the Gibson there was magnetized steel directly under the strings. Each method produced completely different results; the Fender pickup was bright and twangy with bite (Think Telecaster) while the Gibson style was fatter with smoother.

The Firebird mini still used the exact same bobbins – except that the steel cores that were normally found in the bobbins were replaced by magnets! By removing the steel poles from the pickup and replacing them directly with magnets the sound of the pickup dramatically changed. The magnets were now directly in the core of the coil very similar to the fender pickups – This gave the Firebird Mini a more “Fender-y” sound – A brighter, snappy Humbucker with twang to it. Because of this, it is a popular option on many Tele style guitars as it can have some twang, but still buck the hum.

Since the pole screws on the cover were gone, the nickel silver cover was flat and clean without any holes. The earliest versions of the pickup (1963) had plain enamel wire, but pretty much immediately switched to Poly wire.

Johnny Smith Floating

After a falling out Guild in the latter half of the 1950’s, guitarist Johnny Smith was approached by Gibson Guitars in 1960-1961. Gibson developed a new signature model called the “Gibson Johnny Smith” which featured a rather unique mini Humbucker.

Aside from the fact that the pickup mounted to end of the fretboard, what made it unique was that it was really the first mini to start moving towards the Fender construction style. However, unlike the firebird pickup, there was only one magnet. The magnet was located in the “Slug” Coil, and was connected to the “screw” coil by a steel plate which transfer the magnetic field to the screws What’s special about this pickup is that it is sort of a gateway pickup – It’s halfway between a fender style and a Gibson style. The magnet directly under the strings on the slug coil creates a distinct attack and clarity, while the screw coil retains the long envelope of traditional Gibson Humbuckers.

Bill Lawrence “Side Winder”

The last design is one that I will just briefly touch on. Bill Lawrence is a very famous pickup designer, and has many unique patents to his name. Throughout his career, it’s fairly evident that he likes two specific things – Ceramic Magnets, and Side Winder pickups. A sidewinder is a pickup where the two coils do not face upwards, but are rather placed on their sides. A magnet is still placed in the middle of each coil, but the magnet connects to a steel pole of some form in the center of the pickup.

There are many pickup makers, and players that really like side winder pickups – but it’s a design that I’m not crazy about in this pickup, so I’m not going to devote any more time to it. I mention it for historical sake only.


Source — Matthew Larrivée


Forum VI (discussed — never built)

Forum VI STANDARD CONFIGURATION


00v-03 MT guitar - all mahogany (unless spruce option below), Satin Finish
Venetian Cutaway
25.5" Scale Length
"12 Fret" (where the body meets neck)
Standard 03 appointments with:
Herringbone Rosette
Backstrip
Figured Maple Body Binding and Fretboard Binding
Ebony Headstock Overlay, Pearl Larrivee Logo, Silver Border
Ebony Fretboard
Microdot inlays (starting at 3rd fret - I believe this is standard)
1 3/4" nut
Mahogany 1pc Neck
No Pickgaurd

"Forum VI" tag

OPTIONS


Herringbone Purfling (tentative)
Spruce Top

— source: Official Forum VI thread March 14, 2012

  1. ↑ I received an email from Jim Holler stating that the guitars will have the normal 2-3/16" string spacing at the saddle. — Randy R on the Larrivée Forum 2009/12/27
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