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===I have an L1 Model II. Do I need the L1 Pro32? === | ===I have an L1 Model II. Do I need the L1 Pro32? === | ||
− | + | I tortured myself with this question for months between the product announcement last fall and when they were available to order in late January. Here's why I ordered the L1 Pro32 with Sub1, and what I've learned since then. | |
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I've had an {{Model II}} since Bose introduced them in 2007. I have used up to six for a large home concert venue. I've also used four outdoors for bands, and occasionally just two in a traditional Front of House setup. | I've had an {{Model II}} since Bose introduced them in 2007. I have used up to six for a large home concert venue. I've also used four outdoors for bands, and occasionally just two in a traditional Front of House setup. | ||
− | The {{Model II}} served me well as a solo singer/songwriter act and in bands singing and playing electric guitar. When playing electric guitar, I use a [[Kemper Profiling Amp]] for amp modelling and effects. Most of the time, I used a single B1 for the bass module, but I could scale up to two B1s or a B2, depending on the gig. When doing band gigs, I used a single B1 for me. I relied on other band members to bring whatever they needed for the gig. | + | The {{Model II}} served me well as a solo singer/songwriter act and in bands singing and playing electric guitar. When playing electric guitar, I use a [[Kemper Profiling Amp]] for amp modelling and effects. Most of the time, I used a single B1 for the bass module, but I could scale up to two B1s or a B2, depending on the gig. When doing band gigs, I used a single B1 for me. I relied on other band members to bring whatever they needed for the gig. When doing sound for the whole band, I would bring more {{Model II}}s -typically, one per player. I might bring two F1 stacks (F1 Model 812 with F1 Subwoofer). For smaller gigs, I might set up two {{Model II}}s at the front of the stage. |
The {{Model II}} with a {{T1}} was the best PA system I had ever used, and I was happy to use it exactly as Bose recommended (behind me on the stage). If the stage was tight and the venue small, I would use an {{Compact}}. However, there were very few venues where the {{Model II}} couldn't fit. And I preferred the sound of the {{Model II}} over the {{Compact}}, | The {{Model II}} with a {{T1}} was the best PA system I had ever used, and I was happy to use it exactly as Bose recommended (behind me on the stage). If the stage was tight and the venue small, I would use an {{Compact}}. However, there were very few venues where the {{Model II}} couldn't fit. And I preferred the sound of the {{Model II}} over the {{Compact}}, | ||
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=== Things I Noticed About the L1 Pro32=== | === Things I Noticed About the L1 Pro32=== | ||
Since I use the L1 Pro32 with the Sub1, these comments apply. | Since I use the L1 Pro32 with the Sub1, these comments apply. | ||
− | * The Sub1 is the heaviest component, but at only | + | * The Sub1 is the heaviest component, but at only 34.1 pounds, it is slimmer and lighter than a B2 (45 pounds) |
− | * The L1 Pro32 power stand is only 13 pounds. | + | * The L1 Pro32 power stand is only 13 pounds. The {{Model II}} power stand is 25 pounds |
− | * The Cylindrical Radiators weigh 15.6 pounds (two pieces total weight)- that's less than one of the Cylindrical Radiators for the {{Model II}} | + | * The Cylindrical Radiators weigh 15.6 pounds (two pieces total weight)- that's less than one of the Cylindrical Radiators for the {{Model II}} (two weigh 34 pounds) |
* The Cylindrical Radiators are the same length as the {{Model II}}. That's great. I don't have to rethink how I will pack them in the vehicle | * The Cylindrical Radiators are the same length as the {{Model II}}. That's great. I don't have to rethink how I will pack them in the vehicle | ||
* The L1 Pro32 with Sub1 or Sub2 takes less floor space than the {{Model II}} with B2 | * The L1 Pro32 with Sub1 or Sub2 takes less floor space than the {{Model II}} with B2 | ||
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* With lower volume drop over distance, at some point, the L1 Pro32 will outperform the Sub1 and Sub2 at a distance. This also happened with the {{Model II}} and B2 | * With lower volume drop over distance, at some point, the L1 Pro32 will outperform the Sub1 and Sub2 at a distance. This also happened with the {{Model II}} and B2 | ||
* With three channels on the L1 Pro32, and phantom power built-in, I won't need a ToneMatch mixer every time. That's one less piece of gear to carry and set up. I can use the L1 Mix app using a small tablet mounted on my microphone stand. I can work with the built-in reverb and ToneMatch Presets. For more demanding situations, I can still use my T1 or T4S/T8S. | * With three channels on the L1 Pro32, and phantom power built-in, I won't need a ToneMatch mixer every time. That's one less piece of gear to carry and set up. I can use the L1 Mix app using a small tablet mounted on my microphone stand. I can work with the built-in reverb and ToneMatch Presets. For more demanding situations, I can still use my T1 or T4S/T8S. | ||
+ | ** Since you can use a ToneMatch mixer with the L1 Pro, this adds three more channels when used together (T4S/T8S) or [[T1 Compatibility With L1 Pro Systems|two more channels with the T1]]. | ||
* The Sub1 performs like the B2. For most situations, that's plenty for me. If I need to scale up for more bass, I can use the second Sub1. Yes, I got two. I could have gotten a Sub2, but then I wouldn't have the option to scale down. | * The Sub1 performs like the B2. For most situations, that's plenty for me. If I need to scale up for more bass, I can use the second Sub1. Yes, I got two. I could have gotten a Sub2, but then I wouldn't have the option to scale down. | ||
* I like the option to set up the Subwoofers in cardioid mode to avoid bass reverberation on stage. Excessive bass on stage has made it hard to hear myself at times. | * I like the option to set up the Subwoofers in cardioid mode to avoid bass reverberation on stage. Excessive bass on stage has made it hard to hear myself at times. | ||
=== What Else === | === What Else === | ||
− | Although I never wished to play music via Bluetooth or to manage the {{Model II}} with my phone or tablet, I've come to appreciate these features in the L1 Pro32 | + | Although I never wished to play music via Bluetooth or to manage the {{Model II}} with my phone or tablet, I've come to appreciate these features in the L1 Pro32. |
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+ | If you have Bose Smart Home speaker (e.g., Bose Soundbar 700), you can add an L1 Pro system to a group and have sound from the Smart Home speaker and the L1 Pro simultaneously. | ||
=== Bottom Line === | === Bottom Line === | ||
I didn't need the L1 Pro32. The {{Model II}} has served me well, and it has aged better than I have over these fourteen years. I appreciate the lighter load and that the new system is easier to maneuver in tight spaces. I'm grateful the L1 Pro32 will fit into all the spaces I have organized for loading and storing the {{Model II}}. That means I don't have to re-think or find new ways to do things. | I didn't need the L1 Pro32. The {{Model II}} has served me well, and it has aged better than I have over these fourteen years. I appreciate the lighter load and that the new system is easier to maneuver in tight spaces. I'm grateful the L1 Pro32 will fit into all the spaces I have organized for loading and storing the {{Model II}}. That means I don't have to re-think or find new ways to do things. | ||
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− | With the pandemic restrictions still in place here, I haven't been able to test the limits of the L1 Pro32, but from what I've been able to do, it should perform at least as well as the {{Model II}}. The new features were not must-haves for me, but the true test is if I'd be willing to give them up. Having spent some time with the new unit, I don't think I'd be willing to go back. | + | With the pandemic restrictions still in place here, I haven't been able to test the limits of the L1 Pro32, but from what I've been able to do, it should perform at least as well as the {{Model II}}. |
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+ | The new features were not must-haves for me, but the true test is if I'd be willing to give them up. Having spent some time with the new unit, I don't think I'd be willing to go back. | ||
===Comparison Table === | ===Comparison Table === | ||
{{:Bose L1 Model II Compared to L1 Pro32}} | {{:Bose L1 Model II Compared to L1 Pro32}} | ||
+ | === Comparisons Sub1/Sub2 B1/B2 F1 Subwoofer === | ||
+ | {{Sub Comparison}} | ||
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+ | For more detail see [[Sub1/Sub2]] | ||
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[[Category:L1 Pro]] | [[Category:L1 Pro]] | ||
[[Category:Model II]] | [[Category:Model II]] | ||
[[Category:Comparison]] | [[Category:Comparison]] |
Latest revision as of 16:07, 23 September 2023
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Contents
I have an L1 Model II. Do I need the L1 Pro32?
I tortured myself with this question for months between the product announcement last fall and when they were available to order in late January. Here's why I ordered the L1 Pro32 with Sub1, and what I've learned since then.
Background
I've had an L1 Model II since Bose introduced them in 2007. I have used up to six for a large home concert venue. I've also used four outdoors for bands, and occasionally just two in a traditional Front of House setup.
The L1 Model II served me well as a solo singer/songwriter act and in bands singing and playing electric guitar. When playing electric guitar, I use a Kemper Profiling Amp for amp modelling and effects. Most of the time, I used a single B1 for the bass module, but I could scale up to two B1s or a B2, depending on the gig. When doing band gigs, I used a single B1 for me. I relied on other band members to bring whatever they needed for the gig. When doing sound for the whole band, I would bring more L1 Model IIs -typically, one per player. I might bring two F1 stacks (F1 Model 812 with F1 Subwoofer). For smaller gigs, I might set up two L1 Model IIs at the front of the stage.
The L1 Model II with a T1 ToneMatch Audio Engine was the best PA system I had ever used, and I was happy to use it exactly as Bose recommended (behind me on the stage). If the stage was tight and the venue small, I would use an L1 Compact. However, there were very few venues where the L1 Model II couldn't fit. And I preferred the sound of the L1 Model II over the L1 Compact,
Happiness
I always used the T1 ToneMatch Audio Engine with the L1 Model II and considered them as a single unit. The L1 Model II was my personal system for vocals and guitar. If the situation required amplification for more players, we'd use more systems. I never needed more than the four inputs available on the T1 ToneMatch Audio Engine.
I had grown used to having the T1 ToneMatch Audio Engine mounted on my microphone stand in front of me. I had everything organized around playing like that, and it all just worked.
Before the L1 Model II I played through the L1 Classic. The total system carry-weight with the L1 Classic with two B1 bass modules was 135 pounds. By comparison, the L1 Model II with B2 is 110 pounds. The biggest difference was the L1 Model II power stand that was smaller, lighter, and much easier to pack and carry. I liked the portability of the L1 Model II. I rarely begrudged the size, the weight, or the floor space (26" x 30") required on stage.
The Wish List
There weren't many things I wished for in the L1 Model II.
- Easier to pack in the car
On those rare occasions I carried multiple systems or the B2, I wished the systems were lighter. The B2 is awkward to load in and out of a passenger sedan. I stopped driving a van when I got my first L1 in 2004. - Easier to move through a busy venue
Some places where I play do not have a separate stage entrance. That means I load my gear in through the venue. Tear down is so fast with the L1 Model II, I'm often ready to leave before all the patrons have left the venue. Winding through the people with the gear could be awkward.
Things I Noticed About the L1 Pro32
Since I use the L1 Pro32 with the Sub1, these comments apply.
- The Sub1 is the heaviest component, but at only 34.1 pounds, it is slimmer and lighter than a B2 (45 pounds)
- The L1 Pro32 power stand is only 13 pounds. The L1 Model II power stand is 25 pounds
- The Cylindrical Radiators weigh 15.6 pounds (two pieces total weight)- that's less than one of the Cylindrical Radiators for the L1 Model II (two weigh 34 pounds)
- The Cylindrical Radiators are the same length as the L1 Model II. That's great. I don't have to rethink how I will pack them in the vehicle
- The L1 Pro32 with Sub1 or Sub2 takes less floor space than the L1 Model II with B2
- The L1 Pro32 with Sub1 is slightly louder (+ 2dB) than the L1 Model II with B2. I haven't been able to test the drop-off over distance, but from the charts I've seen, the L1 Pro32 should project even farther than the L1 Model II
- With lower volume drop over distance, at some point, the L1 Pro32 will outperform the Sub1 and Sub2 at a distance. This also happened with the L1 Model II and B2
- With three channels on the L1 Pro32, and phantom power built-in, I won't need a ToneMatch mixer every time. That's one less piece of gear to carry and set up. I can use the L1 Mix app using a small tablet mounted on my microphone stand. I can work with the built-in reverb and ToneMatch Presets. For more demanding situations, I can still use my T1 or T4S/T8S.
- Since you can use a ToneMatch mixer with the L1 Pro, this adds three more channels when used together (T4S/T8S) or two more channels with the T1.
- The Sub1 performs like the B2. For most situations, that's plenty for me. If I need to scale up for more bass, I can use the second Sub1. Yes, I got two. I could have gotten a Sub2, but then I wouldn't have the option to scale down.
- I like the option to set up the Subwoofers in cardioid mode to avoid bass reverberation on stage. Excessive bass on stage has made it hard to hear myself at times.
What Else
Although I never wished to play music via Bluetooth or to manage the L1 Model II with my phone or tablet, I've come to appreciate these features in the L1 Pro32.
If you have Bose Smart Home speaker (e.g., Bose Soundbar 700), you can add an L1 Pro system to a group and have sound from the Smart Home speaker and the L1 Pro simultaneously.
Bottom Line
I didn't need the L1 Pro32. The L1 Model II has served me well, and it has aged better than I have over these fourteen years. I appreciate the lighter load and that the new system is easier to maneuver in tight spaces. I'm grateful the L1 Pro32 will fit into all the spaces I have organized for loading and storing the L1 Model II. That means I don't have to re-think or find new ways to do things. The new features were not must-haves for me, but the true test is if I'd be willing to give them up. Having spent some time with the new unit, I don't think I'd be willing to go back.
Comparison Table
Feature | Bose L1 Model II with B2 | Bose L1 Pro32 |
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Feature | Bose L1 Model II with B2 | Bose L1 Pro32 |
Horizontal dispersion | 180 degrees | 180 degrees |
Vertical dispersion | 0 degrees (straight) | 0 degrees (straight) |
Output | 115 dB / 121 dB peak | With Sub1: 117 dB / 123 dB peak
With Sub2: 122 dB / 128 dB peak |
Speaker Array | Twenty four 2.25" (57 mm) articulated array | Thirty two 2.00" (51 mm) articulated cricket drivers |
Woofer | Two 10" low frequency drivers in the B2 | Sub1:One 7" x 13" neodymium racetrack transducer
Sub2:One 10"x 18" neodymium racetrack transducer |
Low Frequency | 40 Hz - 3dB | With Sub1: 40 Hz - 3dB With Sub2: 37 Hz - 3dB |
Crossover | 200 Hz | 200 Hz |
Power to speakers | Biamped
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Biamped
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Weight | Total system weight 49.67 kg (110 lb)
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Total system weight with
Sub1 29.1 kg (62.7 lb) Sub2 36.4 kg (79.3 lb)
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Dimensions (H x W x D) | L1 Model II Power Stand 213.4 x 66.0 x 66.0 cm (84.2 x 26.0 x 26.0 in) B2 Bass Module 59.4 x 33.8 x 48 cm (23.4 x 13.31 x 18.9 in) Footprint (floor space required) L1 Model II with B2 (W x D) 71.0 x 66.0 cm (28.0 x 26.0 in) |
L1 Pro32
213.5 × 34.5 × 55 cm (84.1 × 13.6 × 21.7 in) Sub1 53.0 × 25.0 × 53.0 cm (20.9 × 9.8 × 20.9 in) Sub2 69.0 × 30.5 × 55.0 cm (27.2 × 12.0 × 21.7 in) Footprint (floor space required) L1 Pro32 with Sub1 (W x D) 59.4 x 55.1 cm (23.4 x 21.7 in) L1 Pro32 with Sub2 (W x D) 65.0 x 55.1 cm (25.6 x 21.7 in) |
Sound Projection | ![]() |
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ToneMatch® Presets | No | Channels 1 and 2 Full suite of ToneMatch Presets available in the ToneMatch mixers, built-in. Set using the L1 Mix App. |
Battery | No | No |
Connections | Input
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Channels 1 and 2
Combo Jacks XLR / 6 mm (1/4" Tip-Ring or Tip-Ring-Sleeve) balanced / unbalanced Channel 3/Aux Input
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Tone Controls | No | Channel 1 * Bass / Treble Channel 2 * None |
Line Out | No | XLR balanced |
Bluetooth input | No | Yes: Channel 3
Supports Bluetooth 5.x |
Reverb | No | Channels 1 and 2 Yes Channel 3 None |
ToneMatch Port | Yes full support for T1/T4S T8S not supported |
Yes full support for T4S/T8S power only for T1 |
System EQ | No | Yes Live/Music/Speech/Off |
Scenes | No | Yes Store/recall system settings via Bose L1 Mix App |
Bose L1 Mix App | No | Yes Wireless control over volume, tone, reverb and system EQ |
Comparisons Sub1/Sub2 B1/B2 F1 Subwoofer
Specification | B1 | B2 | L1 Pro8 Power Stand only | L1 Pro16 Power Stand only | Sub1 | Sub2 | F1 Subwoofer |
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dB SPL at 1 meter Continuous/Peak |
109 dB (estimated, not published) |
112 dB (estimated on total system SPL of L1 Model 1S with B2) |
112 dB (cont) 118 dB (peak) (values estimated on total system SPL) |
118 dB (cont) 121 dB (peak) (values estimated on total system SPL) |
118 dB (cont) 124 dB (peak) |
123 dB (cont) 129 dB (peak) |
124 dB (cont) 130 dB (peak) |
Watts RMS Active/Passive |
125 Passive |
250 Passive |
240 Active |
1000 Active |
480 Active |
1000 Active |
1000 Active |
Weight pounds | 28 | 45 | 30.9 | 41.4 | 34.1 | 51.7 | 55 |
Drivers | Two 5.25" | Two 10" | One 7"x13" RaceTrack | One 10"x18" RaceTrack | One 7"x13" RaceTrack | One 10"x18" RaceTrack | Two 10" |
Cardioid Mode | n/a | n/a | n/a | n/a | Yes | Yes | n/a |
Compatibility with Bose Products | L1 Legacy | L1 Legacy | n/a not intended to be used separately |
n/a not intended to be used separately |
L1 Pro, L1 Legacy, S1 Pro, L1 Compact | L1 Pro, L1 Legacy, S1 Pro, L1 Compact | L1 Pro, L1 Legacy, S1 Pro, L1 Compact |
Compatibility with non-Bose products | No passive, no low-pass filter |
No passive, no low-pass filter |
n/a not intended to be used separately |
n/a not intended to be used separately |
Yes active, switchable low-pass filter |
Yes active, switchable low-pass filter |
Yes active, switchable high-pass filter |
- This data is compiled from Bose Technical Data Sheets and discussions with the Bose L1 Product Managers for the unpublished data.
- Two Sub1s or Sub2
Two Sub1s have approximately the same membrane surface area as the Sub2, (180 square inches).
The power difference is negligible (960 watts RMS compared to 1000 watts RMS).
Two Sub1s tightly coupled (stacked or side-by-side) should provide up to +6 dB SPL[1] over a single Sub1 (118 + 6 = 124). The Sub 2 is 123 dB SPL. The SPL performance of two Sub1s should be similar to a single Sub2.
The Sub1 goes down to 40 Hz. The Sub2 goes down to 37 Hz (-3 dB). The difference is due to the larger physical volume of the Sub2 enclosure. Running two Sub1s does not change the frequency response.
- L1 Pro16
The SPL output of the L1 Pro16 is 118 db SPL (124 peak). The output is similar to the Sub1.
- Technical Data for standalone units
- L1 Pro8 Technical Data Sheet
- L1 Pro16 Technical Data Sheet
- L1 Pro32 Technical Data Sheet
- Sub1 Technical Data Sheet
- Sub2 Technical Data Sheet
For more detail see Sub1/Sub2
- ↑ +3 dB from doubling the power and +3 dB from mutual coupling.